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Offline solideogloria

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2013, 08:41:15 PM »
Alkitab tidak mengajarkan anda cara baptis, bro.

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Cara baptisan sudah diajarkan Yesus kok !

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2013, 08:45:14 PM »

Cara baptisan sudah diajarkan Yesus kok !

Shalom

Format baptisannya? Atau yang dijalankan di gereja anda?
Apa saja yang diucapkan oleh calon baptis? Apa saja yang diucapkan oleh pembaptis?

Di mana ayatnya?

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2013, 08:52:21 PM »
Format baptisannya? Atau yang dijalankan di gereja anda?
Apa saja yang diucapkan oleh calon baptis? Apa saja yang diucapkan oleh pembaptis?

Di mana ayatnya?

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Baptisan oleh Pendeta hanya didalam nama Allah Tritunggal sudah sah menurut Alkitab.

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2013, 08:54:22 PM »

Baptisan oleh Pendeta hanya didalam nama Allah Tritunggal sudah sah menurut Alkitab.

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Siapa yang bilang nggak?

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2013, 08:55:36 PM »
Siapa yang bilang nggak?

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Baguslah kalau anda paham demikian !

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2013, 08:58:52 PM »
Baguslah kalau anda paham demikian !

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Mungkin yang perlu sedikit anda renungkan adalah, apakah Pendeta yang membaptis anda punya otoritas untuk membaptis? Adakah jalur apostoliknya hingga ke para rasul?

Bukan gak berlaku, cuma sekedar anda pikirkan sajalah.

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2013, 09:00:37 PM »
Mungkin yang perlu sedikit anda renungkan adalah, apakah Pendeta yang membaptis anda punya otoritas untuk membaptis? Adakah jalur apostoliknya hingga ke para rasul?

Bukan gak berlaku, cuma sekedar anda pikirkan sajalah.

 :D

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Semua orang percaya adalah imam menurut Alkitab dan Pendeta dikhususkan membaptis karena jabatan kegembalaannya.

Kalau ajaran apostolik dipakai tidak ada yang namanya kardinal dan paus itu.

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2013, 09:02:54 PM »

Semua orang percaya adalah imam menurut Alkitab dan Pendeta dikhususkan membaptis karena jabatan kegembalaannya.

Kalau ajaran apostolik dipakai tidak ada yang namanya kardinal dan paus itu.

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A bishop (English derivation[1] from the New Testament Greek ἐπίσκοπος, epískopos, "overseer", "guardian") is an ordained or consecrated member of the Christian clergy who is generally entrusted with a position of authority and oversight.


Within the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Old Catholic and Independent Catholic churches and in the Assyrian Church of the East, bishops claim apostolic succession, a direct historical lineage dating back to the original Twelve Apostles. Within these churches, bishops are seen as those who possess the full priesthood and can ordain clergy – including other bishops. Some Protestant churches including the Lutheran and Methodist churches have bishops serving similar functions as well, though not always understood to be within apostolic succession in the same way. One who has been ordained deacon, priest, and then bishop is understood to hold the fullness of the (ministerial) priesthood, given responsibility by Christ to govern, teach and sanctify the Body of Christ, members of the Faithful. Priests, deacons and lay ministers cooperate and assist their bishop(s) in shepherding a flock.

The term epískopos was not from the earliest times clearly distinguished from the term presbýteros (literally: "elder" or "senior", origin of the modern English word priest), but the term was already clearly used in the sense of the order or office of bishop, distinct from that of presbyter in the writings of Ignatius of Antioch (died c. 108), and sources from the middle of the 2nd century undoubtedly set forth that all the chief centres of Christianity recognized and had the office of bishop, using a form of organization that remained universal until the Protestant Reformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2013, 09:05:09 PM »
A bishop (English derivation[1] from the New Testament Greek ἐπίσκοπος, epískopos, "overseer", "guardian") is an ordained or consecrated member of the Christian clergy who is generally entrusted with a position of authority and oversight.


Within the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Old Catholic and Independent Catholic churches and in the Assyrian Church of the East, bishops claim apostolic succession, a direct historical lineage dating back to the original Twelve Apostles. Within these churches, bishops are seen as those who possess the full priesthood and can ordain clergy – including other bishops. Some Protestant churches including the Lutheran and Methodist churches have bishops serving similar functions as well, though not always understood to be within apostolic succession in the same way. One who has been ordained deacon, priest, and then bishop is understood to hold the fullness of the (ministerial) priesthood, given responsibility by Christ to govern, teach and sanctify the Body of Christ, members of the Faithful. Priests, deacons and lay ministers cooperate and assist their bishop(s) in shepherding a flock.

The term epískopos was not from the earliest times clearly distinguished from the term presbýteros (literally: "elder" or "senior", origin of the modern English word priest), but the term was already clearly used in the sense of the order or office of bishop, distinct from that of presbyter in the writings of Ignatius of Antioch (died c. 108), and sources from the middle of the 2nd century undoubtedly set forth that all the chief centres of Christianity recognized and had the office of bishop, using a form of organization that remained universal until the Protestant Reformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop

Bishop itu sama sekali berbeda dengan kardinal dan paus karena kedua jabatan tersebut lebih tinggi dari bishop / uskup,dan tidak ada dasar Alkitabnya.

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2013, 09:07:15 PM »
Bishop itu sama sekali berbeda dengan kardinal dan paus karena kedua jabatan tersebut lebih tinggi dari bishop / uskup,dan tidak ada dasar Alkitabnya.

Shalom



He he he he he he, silahkan paparkan bedanya, bro.
Saya ingin tahu apakah anda cukup tahu atau sekedar dengar ajaran ngawur saja.
Silahkan, paparkan

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2013, 04:34:45 PM »
He he he he he he, silahkan paparkan bedanya, bro.
Saya ingin tahu apakah anda cukup tahu atau sekedar dengar ajaran ngawur saja.
Silahkan, paparkan

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Iya Bro Soli ...
Bedanya apa ?


Ditunggu penjelasannya

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2013, 04:35:18 PM »
Iya, saya juga tertarik mengetahui perbedaan bishop dengan kardinal dan paus.

Tapi, memang sudah sering, apa yang Solideogloria kemukakan, belum tentu dimengertinya dengan baik.
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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2013, 11:44:44 AM »
Bishop itu sama sekali berbeda dengan kardinal dan paus karena kedua jabatan tersebut lebih tinggi dari bishop / uskup,dan tidak ada dasar Alkitabnya.

Shalom

woww...

ikutan nunggu ah...
pengen tahu juga..

wah.. bro soli perlu segera diusulkan untuk menerima Bintang Jasa sebagai PEMBELA HUKUM Alkitab sejati, yang rela berkorban untuk mengkoreksi kekeliruan Yesus sendiri sekalipun..

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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2013, 11:47:36 AM »
Sepertinya beliau masih belum dapat literatur penunjangnya, bro.
Kita masih harus sabar menanti.


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Re: Keselamatan
« Reply #89 on: September 04, 2013, 05:13:14 PM »
Sepertinya beliau masih belum dapat literatur penunjangnya, bro.
Kita masih harus sabar menanti.

mungkin mas soli sedang menunggu reply email dari Yesus..
sementara Yesus sedang sibuk me-reply email-email dari teman-teman mas soli yg lain..

hehe...